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Hola muchachos/as.

Como era de esperar, el proyecto de restauración del Philips F1719/01 me ha traído hartos cachitos que solucionar.

Hasta ahora me ha tocado realizar lo siguiente: Aguja nueva, cápsula, buscar pinzas en pc antiguos, soldar cables a las pinzas "nuevas" (el porta capsula no es plug&play), cambiar correa.

Y bueno, compré un vinilo para probar el funcionamiento del tocadiscos y resulta que el disco no entró! El eje, poste o espiga del tocadiscos es más ancho que el orificio que tiene el disco.

Debo cambiar solo esa pieza?, La venden? 

 

Saludos y gracias de antemano.

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Hola Xtian espero que estes bien y con salud , sobre el eje o espiga o como se le pueda llamar hay que comentar algo en el post mencionas que compraste un vinilo o LP nuevo , resulta que ya hace un tiempo atras compre un vinilo de Led Zeppelin (oferta de el mercurio) en un kiosko de barrio el agujero del centro era de menor tamaño unos milimetros y costaba bastante colocar el disco aca en el foro ya a varias personas les a pasado la solucion es ree economica hay que ir a una ferreteria industrial y pedir una broca de 7,2 mm y 7,3 mm (en las fereterias de barrio ta van a ofrecer una de 7,0 mm) y un mango o asa para lima osea mas menos  por treso cuatro lukas uno se hace una herramienta para vinilos lo que si te puedodecir que  leyendo en vinilengine esta espiga cambia de espesor segun la marca de tornamesa.La otra solucion que un tornero te haga una.Bueno cuidense mucho suerte !!!!

 

 
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Post by robgil » 02 Aug 2012 01:25

And if they are , what size is that then ?
 
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Post by Alec124c41 » 02 Aug 2012 01:36

There is a standard for size. I think it is 7.2 mm.
There is some variation in spindle sizes, so a record might fit easily over one, but be tight on another.

Cheers,
Alec
 
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Post by Mark E Smith's Dentist » 02 Aug 2012 08:05

I never measured it but my Thorens TD-160 spindle was the largest I've ever lived with - it was a PITA because the deck is suspended and the suspension would bottom out before I could get certain records on. Then I had the reverse problem getting them back off!


JT
 
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Post by JaS » 02 Aug 2012 09:07

The RIAA record hole size is 0.286" (7.26mm), but as mentioned above, spindle sizes vary. From past posts I seem to remember AR as having the closest tolerance/tightest fitting spindles?

Regards,
JaS
 
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Post by Blue Angel » 02 Aug 2012 10:38

I have measured 3 of the turntables I use:

Micro MR-711 = 7.685mm
Micro Seiki BL51 = 7.596mm
Garrard 301 grease bearing = 7.661

Measurements were made with a Mitutoyo digital micrometer.

Too late to ask for a refund on the measuring tool or the turntables?

ba

Post by Guest » 02 Aug 2012 11:33

In a quick check I get a range from 7.08 to 7.24 mm for spindle diameter of 6 TTs of various pedigree. Record holes are intended to be an interference fit, i think. But pretty obviously there's some variation.
 
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Post by Eoin » 02 Aug 2012 23:54

My Ariston RD80 has a large one. Needs a few tight holes slightly enlarging to work.
 
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Post by mickb69 » 03 Aug 2012 23:00

Mark E Smith's Dentist wrote:I never measured it but my Thorens TD-160 spindle was the largest I've ever lived with - JT

same here with my TD 166,
occasionally i find a record won't fit on, only takes a second to fix with my handy specialist adjustment tool: a screwdriver i had knocking about on the desk

 
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Post by Zer0beaT » 27 Jul 2009 05:36

Every once in a while I acquire an LP whose center hole is super tight. I can always get them ON my player, but getting them off isn't always easy. The majority of them ease up after several times putting them on and taking them off.

I was thinking about using a drill-bit with the exact circumference of the tables spindle and gently widening the hole by hand on the few LPs that are really bad, just enough for a slightly-snug fit.

Can anyone tell me the standard hole size so I can find the appropriate drill bit?

What do you guys do in this scenario, btw?
 
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Post by fftulip » 27 Jul 2009 08:53

I ran into that problem just a couple of days ago.
The standard for a 12" record hole seems to be 7.24mm -0 +0.09mm or 0.285 to 0.289 inch.

I just acquired a Classic Records reissue of an RCA Shaded Dog and its hole diameter was almost exactly 0.285mm, just on the borderline of being too small. I made the mistake of forcing it onto one of my turntables that happens to have a large spindle and almost couldn't get it off!

I fixed the problem by using a tapered reamer on the record spindle. Very lightly spin the reamer from each side and check the fit or measure with calipers until it's close to 7.33mm/0.289 inch. You can get a tapered reamer at any hardware or tool store. Second best tool would be a round file.
 
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Post by jdclock » 28 Jul 2009 04:02

I have an AR/XA and the spindle measures .285 or 7.239mm. I seem to have the most difficulty with 1970' & 80's EMI label. A few are a REAL struggle to get on and off. I bought a 7.2mm drill bit and keep it handy...just a light twist through the record hole does the trick.
 
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Post by capkurt6 » 28 Jul 2009 04:13

a reamer that is NOT tapered, would be the best bet. reamers leave a very fine hole, but a tapered reamer will leave you with pretty much just a chamfer. They are availible at various industrial outlets like msc, production tool supply, etc.

let me know if you need help finding them.
 
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Post by pbda » 29 Jul 2009 16:20

I use a pencil and have never been disappointed with the result! :)
 
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Post by busoni » 01 Aug 2009 01:00

Ι use a round file very carefully, filing a little and then trying to put the record again on the spindle. A good idea, though I haven't tried it, would be to file the tight record hole against a record with a normal hole. Ofcourse, a spare record would better do the job of the normal-hole-record.
 
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Post by Paul Clarke » 03 Aug 2009 13:18

I'm with pbda.
A pen or a pencil and a bit of a wiggle has always done the trick for me.
 
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Post by riche_guy » 04 Aug 2009 10:55

What ever you use, do it by hand and lightly. It doesn't take very much to just get it wide enough to slip down the spindle. :D
 
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Post by Greg M » 05 Aug 2009 02:28

Spend the money and get an non tapered reamer.
You can get any size you want for $20 or less
 
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Post by natejames19 » 29 Apr 2020 01:06

A round file will do the trick neatly in seconds. They are available at hardware stores for $5-10.
 
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Post by JDJX » 29 Apr 2020 02:15

Even a small roll sandpaper that will fit in the LP hole ...with the grit is on the outside will do.
Two or three of twists with it is usually sufficient. The roll will tend to want to unwind when in the hole and give just the right amount of pressure against the vinyl .
This is what I do to enlarge a tight LP hole.

There is no need to over complicate a simple thing like this. :)
 
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Post by lenjack » 29 Apr 2020 20:05

Standard is 0.2812 inches or 7.143mm. AR was one of the few that adhered to this, in order to prevent wow from slightly off center records.

 

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10 minutes ago, RodrigoStereo said:

Hola Xtian espero que estes bien y con salud , sobre el eje o espiga o como se le pueda llamar hay que comentar algo en el post mencionas que compraste un vinilo o LP nuevo , resulta que ya hace un tiempo atras compre un vinilo de Led Zeppelin (oferta de el mercurio) en un kiosko de barrio el agujero del centro era de menor tamaño unos milimetros y costaba bastante colocar el disco aca en el foro ya a varias personas les a pasado la solucion es ree economica hay que ir a una ferreteria industrial y pedir una broca de 7,2 mm y 7,3 mm (en las fereterias de barrio ta van a ofrecer una de 7,0 mm) y un mango o asa para lima osea mas menos  por treso cuatro lukas uno se hace una herramienta para vinilos lo que si te puedodecir que  leyendo en vinilengine esta espiga cambia de espesor segun la marca de tornamesa.La otra solucion que un tornero te haga una o hacer un rollito con una lija y empezar a gastar el centro del disco con el riesgo que no quede muy redondo.Bueno cuidense mucho suerte !!!!

 

 
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Post by robgil » 02 Aug 2012 01:25

And if they are , what size is that then ?
 
 
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Post by Alec124c41 » 02 Aug 2012 01:36

There is a standard for size. I think it is 7.2 mm.
There is some variation in spindle sizes, so a record might fit easily over one, but be tight on another.

Cheers,
Alec
 
 
Mark E Smith's Dentist long player
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Post by Mark E Smith's Dentist » 02 Aug 2012 08:05

I never measured it but my Thorens TD-160 spindle was the largest I've ever lived with - it was a PITA because the deck is suspended and the suspension would bottom out before I could get certain records on. Then I had the reverse problem getting them back off!


JT
 
 
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Post by JaS » 02 Aug 2012 09:07

The RIAA record hole size is 0.286" (7.26mm), but as mentioned above, spindle sizes vary. From past posts I seem to remember AR as having the closest tolerance/tightest fitting spindles?

Regards,
JaS
 
 
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Post by Blue Angel » 02 Aug 2012 10:38

I have measured 3 of the turntables I use:

Micro MR-711 = 7.685mm
Micro Seiki BL51 = 7.596mm
Garrard 301 grease bearing = 7.661

Measurements were made with a Mitutoyo digital micrometer.

Too late to ask for a refund on the measuring tool or the turntables?

ba

Post by Guest » 02 Aug 2012 11:33

In a quick check I get a range from 7.08 to 7.24 mm for spindle diameter of 6 TTs of various pedigree. Record holes are intended to be an interference fit, i think. But pretty obviously there's some variation.
 
 
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Post by Eoin » 02 Aug 2012 23:54

My Ariston RD80 has a large one. Needs a few tight holes slightly enlarging to work.
 
 
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Post by mickb69 » 03 Aug 2012 23:00

Mark E Smith's Dentist wrote:I never measured it but my Thorens TD-160 spindle was the largest I've ever lived with - JT

same here with my TD 166,
occasionally i find a record won't fit on, only takes a second to fix with my handy specialist adjustment tool: a screwdriver i had knocking about on the desk

 
 
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Post by Zer0beaT » 27 Jul 2009 05:36

Every once in a while I acquire an LP whose center hole is super tight. I can always get them ON my player, but getting them off isn't always easy. The majority of them ease up after several times putting them on and taking them off.

I was thinking about using a drill-bit with the exact circumference of the tables spindle and gently widening the hole by hand on the few LPs that are really bad, just enough for a slightly-snug fit.

Can anyone tell me the standard hole size so I can find the appropriate drill bit?

What do you guys do in this scenario, btw?
 
 
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Post by fftulip » 27 Jul 2009 08:53

I ran into that problem just a couple of days ago.
The standard for a 12" record hole seems to be 7.24mm -0 +0.09mm or 0.285 to 0.289 inch.

I just acquired a Classic Records reissue of an RCA Shaded Dog and its hole diameter was almost exactly 0.285mm, just on the borderline of being too small. I made the mistake of forcing it onto one of my turntables that happens to have a large spindle and almost couldn't get it off!

I fixed the problem by using a tapered reamer on the record spindle. Very lightly spin the reamer from each side and check the fit or measure with calipers until it's close to 7.33mm/0.289 inch. You can get a tapered reamer at any hardware or tool store. Second best tool would be a round file.
 
 
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Post by jdclock » 28 Jul 2009 04:02

I have an AR/XA and the spindle measures .285 or 7.239mm. I seem to have the most difficulty with 1970' & 80's EMI label. A few are a REAL struggle to get on and off. I bought a 7.2mm drill bit and keep it handy...just a light twist through the record hole does the trick.
 
 
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Post by capkurt6 » 28 Jul 2009 04:13

a reamer that is NOT tapered, would be the best bet. reamers leave a very fine hole, but a tapered reamer will leave you with pretty much just a chamfer. They are availible at various industrial outlets like msc, production tool supply, etc.

let me know if you need help finding them.
 
 
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Post by pbda » 29 Jul 2009 16:20

I use a pencil and have never been disappointed with the result! :)
 
 
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Post by busoni » 01 Aug 2009 01:00

Ι use a round file very carefully, filing a little and then trying to put the record again on the spindle. A good idea, though I haven't tried it, would be to file the tight record hole against a record with a normal hole. Ofcourse, a spare record would better do the job of the normal-hole-record.
 
 
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Post by Paul Clarke » 03 Aug 2009 13:18

I'm with pbda.
A pen or a pencil and a bit of a wiggle has always done the trick for me.
 
 
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Post by riche_guy » 04 Aug 2009 10:55

What ever you use, do it by hand and lightly. It doesn't take very much to just get it wide enough to slip down the spindle. :D
 
 
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Post by Greg M » 05 Aug 2009 02:28

Spend the money and get an non tapered reamer.
You can get any size you want for $20 or less
 
 
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Post by natejames19 » 29 Apr 2020 01:06

A round file will do the trick neatly in seconds. They are available at hardware stores for $5-10.
 
 
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Post by JDJX » 29 Apr 2020 02:15

Even a small roll sandpaper that will fit in the LP hole ...with the grit is on the outside will do.
Two or three of twists with it is usually sufficient. The roll will tend to want to unwind when in the hole and give just the right amount of pressure against the vinyl .
This is what I do to enlarge a tight LP hole.

There is no need to over complicate a simple thing like this. :)
 
 
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Post by lenjack » 29 Apr 2020 20:05

Standard is 0.2812 inches or 7.143mm. AR was one of the few that adhered to this, in order to prevent wow from slightly off center records.

 

 

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hace 2 horas, RodrigoStereo dijo:

Hola Xtian espero que estes bien y con salud , sobre el eje o espiga o como se le pueda llamar hay que comentar algo en el post mencionas que compraste un vinilo o LP nuevo , resulta que ya hace un tiempo atras compre un vinilo de Led Zeppelin (oferta de el mercurio) en un kiosko de barrio el agujero del centro era de menor tamaño unos milimetros y costaba bastante colocar el disco aca en el foro ya a varias personas les a pasado la solucion es ree economica hay que ir a una ferreteria industrial y pedir una broca de 7,2 mm y 7,3 mm (en las fereterias de barrio ta van a ofrecer una de 7,0 mm) y un mango o asa para lima osea mas menos  por treso cuatro lukas uno se hace una herramienta para vinilos lo que si te puedodecir que  leyendo en vinilengine esta espiga cambia de espesor segun la marca de tornamesa.La otra solucion que un tornero te haga una.Bueno cuidense mucho suerte !!!!

Rodrigo.

Primero, espero que también te encuentres bien de salud.

Luego, agradecer tu respuesta, voy a tomar un par de ideas de lo que enviaste, creo que lo mejor es la lima rotativa cónica, veré como me va, primero probaré con un vinilo antiguo, les mandaré fotos del proceso para que quede registro.

Un abrazo.

Saludos

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hace 52 minutos, funkyto dijo:

Es muy poca precisa esa huincha, yo he tenido varias radios antiguas y jamas un problema con ese eje, probaste con otro vinilo?

 

El problema era el vinilo, probé otros vinilos que estaban en casa de mi viejo y todos entraron perfecto.

Apliqué el truco que aparecía en "vinylengine", hice un cilindro con una lija suave y giré el disco dos veces, problema solucionado.

Problemas que aparecieron ahora, el brazo no llega a leer las pistas de más adentro del disco, llega hasta cierto punto y no sigue avanzando.

Gracias por los trucos enviados, funcionaron.

 

Saludos.

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